It was used for talk shows and to record radio jingles. CHRIS: It was pretty close but it was just the lyrics. Barry was the big push behind that because we were just in to playing cover material and doing gigs. I had fun with that thing! He put everything into it. ET: Prior to the first album being released, what types of songs did you play in your live shows? ET: Being asked to join The Royal Guardsmen was obviously more attractive than starting with a new group like The Griffins. I was down at Johnsons Beach one Saturday watching The Royal Guardsmen play when Larry Rich called me aside and asked me if I would like to replace him in the group. The stage was backlit so you could barely see a row out, the rest was just noise! Probably too much heart, you can hear him literally crying in that song! ET: Being asked to join The Royal Guardsmen was obviously more attractive than starting with a new group like The Griffins. BARRY: We did one show in Seattle at a huge coliseum called The Round. BILL: After Snoopys Christmas, the follow up was I Say Love which was an original song. Chris Nunley (vocals), JOHN: We did the Mike Douglas Show. We both went and got hair cuts but we saved our hair and stuffed it in the schools mail box! BILL: Get the album done! BILL: There was only one group at that time that was better than us and drew better than us called The Incidentals. BARRY: Return was just one of those typical record company things. The audience didnt accept it though because it wasnt what they thought of as The Royal Guardsmen. We had an orchestra conductor who was trying to rewrite the song because it wasnt clinically correct but it doesnt have to be clinically correct to be right! I got to put in some instruments that they probably wouldnt have used if I hadnt mentioned I would like to do that. It didnt go so then he came back and said now you have to do Snoopy. They list a few songs on the front but its basically a big drawing of the Red baron on the cover and a tiny picture of The Royal Guardsmen on the back. BARRY: I had turned eighteen already and I was in the draft. We had to chase the mic stands and one of them hit me right in the face! Through the contacts with John Veciana and WALT radio, which was a radio station in Tampa that was a low power alternative to WLCY, they got us into playing local clubs in the Tampa Bay area. ET: The Return of the Red Baron is probably your most personal album but neither it nor the single did as well as the first ones. It had Baby Lets Wait on the A side and Leaving Me on the B side because those were the first two songs we recorded. ET: Did you make any television appearances in support of the single? ET: Thats funny because on the cover of The Return of the Red Baron album, you and Tom have the shortest hair in the group. It held forty-five thousand people and the stage revolved. I think thats what really kept us going after the Snoopy hit and the record company beating us with the gimmick stuff. BILLY: We did a version of Charlie Brown for that album which was my only chance to be a star vocally. The true image kept asserting itself. We got called into the Principals office one day and were told you cant stay here like that, you have to get a hair cut or well throw you out. Probably too much heart, you can hear him literally crying in that song! BARRY: They went long in Ricardo Montalbans segment and they just threw us in there. ET: Did you do any touring in support of Snoopy Vs. CHRIS: We came up with a list of tracks we wanted to do that had a cartoon theme to them. JOHN: We did the Mike Douglas Show. It held forty-five thousand people and the stage revolved. The Kingsmen had a hit with Jolly Green Giant and the Sam the Sham had Little Red Riding Hood. BARRY: We did one show in Seattle at a huge coliseum called The Round. Eventually we told him to leave and finished up with the orchestra without him. ET: Obviously, there was an official image of The Royal Guardsmen that was sold to the public and there was the true image behind that one that was a different group. I think a lot of that has to do with it being a 180 degree departure from Snoopy. Eventually our attitude did get sour. When you went to the University of Florida at that time, you had to take a foreign language. JOHN: When I Needed You was recorded, Chris had all the lights turned down and he made us step off to the side so we werent in his vision. Were you pushing for something else? I didnt know there were union rules and stuff like that! They were that blown away. BILL: Yes, they followed up Return with Airplane Song which was another novelty! We came on stage and started doing all this Procol Harum stuff and they just sat down and didnt move for two hours! I said who is that, God? BILLY: He had independently contracted with them to give them first refusal JOHN: Thats because they had just made us get it cut! People were blown away with what we were playing. People were blown away with what we were playing. I played the timpani and a cymbal and put in a drum solo. They just made another label and stuck it on there but it kept alive the momentum while they were sorting things out. The crowd loved it, they thought it was part of the show! The audience didnt accept it though because it wasnt what they thought of as The Royal Guardsmen. He said hi, my name is Phil Gernhard and Im a record producer. My parents had just bought me a Farfisa organ which was an Italian combo that was more of a tank than the Vox Continental, it wasnt as cool. I also played this big line of tubular bells with flip flops on! BILL: I think Laurie was Gernhards first option. BILLY: That was done at Six Gun Territory. We held the auditions at the American Legion Hall in Belleview, right across the street from Barry Winslows house. We played the Cow Palace in San Francisco with Jefferson Airplane. Eventually we told him to leave and finished up with the orchestra without him. They didnt take me because I had a bad elbow and back at the time so I had to wear a wig! Eventually our attitude did get sour. ET: Well at least that one didnt have the word Snoopy in it! BARRY: Return was just one of those typical record company things. I wasnt about to just let them throw me on the ground so I went to enlist and I cut all my hair off, I wasnt going to let them do that either. JOHN: When we did the Joey Bishop Show I went to move the boom mic because I didnt sing at that time and I heard a huge voice come out of the sky and say dont touch that! ET: After the success of Snoopy Vs. the Red Baron, were you given any say in what was recorded next or was it just a given it would be another Snoopy song? Chris Nunley, Barry Winslow, Bill Balogh, Billy Taylor, John Burdett, the late Tom Richards. We came on stage and started doing all this Procol Harum stuff and they just sat down and didnt move for two hours! It would turn so far one way and then stop and turn the other way. BILLY: We had started to get some royalty checks by this point and we knew they were going to want a single so we went along with it. I had fun with that thing! The place was packed and the stage started to jerk about every tenth round. The stage was backlit so you could barely see a row out, the rest was just noise! Chris Nunley, Barry Winslow, Bill Balogh, Billy Taylor, John Burdett, the late Tom Richards. He was in Ocala checking out the local talent to bring to Tampa and Jay told him about us. BILL: We played the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, the Animals, and the Zombies. They list a few songs on the front but its basically a big drawing of the Red baron on the cover and a tiny picture of The Royal Guardsmen on the back. BILLY: We did do a four or five week tour right around Christmas time though but it was in between recording the album. Tom was the only one in the whole school who had red hair so eventually they figured it was him. CHRIS: We wanted to write serious music. I also played this big line of tubular bells with flip flops on! I dont remember if the German intro was Gernhards idea or mine but I remember walking around the studio writing it. CHRIS: Right, smoking in the auditorium! My parents had just bought me a Farfisa organ which was an Italian combo that was more of a tank than the Vox Continental, it wasnt as cool. We had a full orchestra. We were rehearsing the song and I was stomping my base drum foot even though I was not actually hitting the drum. He sang it with all of his heart. ET: Did you do any touring in support of Snoopy Vs. It held forty-five thousand people and the stage revolved. BARRY: They went long in Ricardo Montalbans segment and they just threw us in there. I was into the sound effects and finding things to hit that would make neat noises! Ricardo Montalban was the co-host. Did they still want to continue with the novelty records? JOHN: We did the Mike Douglas Show. I didnt know there were union rules and stuff like that! I got to put in some instruments that they probably wouldnt have used if I hadnt mentioned I would like to do that. I was attending the University of Florida at the time, and would come home on the weekends. It was pure Dick Holler. After a while, it got to where we would do the Snoopy songs first just to get them out of the way. How long was it before you started recording? Were you pushing for something else? We played with the Beach Boys in Seattle. ET: Well at least that one didnt have the word Snoopy in it! 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